Comments on: Apple and Samsung: brands at war http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war Cringely on technology Sat, 18 May 2013 20:42:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-258132 Ronc Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:04:40 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-258132 I need some clarification to understand what you mean by "iOS can’t support games that carry a price point". Do you mean expensive to develop? Or do you mean iOS is too low powered on current processors to run the expensive games? But you also said it's about content not hardware. However, both iOS and Microsoft's version, WinRT, are both underpowered currently due to the hardware compromises made by ARM chips.

]]> I need some clarification to understand what you mean by “iOS can’t support games that carry a price point”. Do you mean expensive to develop? Or do you mean iOS is too low powered on current processors to run the expensive games? But you also said it’s about content not hardware. However, both iOS and Microsoft’s version, WinRT, are both underpowered currently due to the hardware compromises made by ARM chips.

]]> By: John Owens http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-258121 John Owens Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:27:16 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-258121 Please don't comment on the games industry when you know nothing about it. A load of iOS games running on AppleTV will have no effect on Nintendo, gamers hate free to play and iOS can't support games that carry a price point that current game developers require to make "involving" game experiences. It's even debatable that smartphones have had an effect on the Nintendo 3ds and that's with a billion of them already in the marketplace. Gaming is different and relies in content not hardware.

]]> Please don’t comment on the games industry when you know nothing about it.

A load of iOS games running on AppleTV will have no effect on Nintendo, gamers hate free to play and iOS can’t support games that carry a price point that current game developers require to make “involving” game experiences.

It’s even debatable that smartphones have had an effect on the Nintendo 3ds and that’s with a billion of them already in the marketplace.

Gaming is different and relies in content not hardware.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-257713 Ronc Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:03:51 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-257713 "... to make every mobile phone manufacturer take careful steps to make their products different from the iPhone..." I'll leave it up to the legal system to decide whether any IP was stolen, but as a non-Apple product customer I certainly hope my smart phone is different than the iPhone, even if it's not much cheaper. I just bought a Galaxy S3 for $550 from AT&T to use on a GoPhone plan...Had to copy the network settings from my old GoPhone to use 3G but LTE is there if I ever decide to switch a postpaid plan. Drag and drop file system, Bluetooth that just works, huge screen, tons of free apps. Still doesn't beat my Windows 7 umpc for browsing the web with full control of text size and text flow control but there may be an app for that!

]]> “… to make every mobile phone manufacturer take careful steps to make their products different from the iPhone…” I’ll leave it up to the legal system to decide whether any IP was stolen, but as a non-Apple product customer I certainly hope my smart phone is different than the iPhone, even if it’s not much cheaper. I just bought a Galaxy S3 for $550 from AT&T to use on a GoPhone plan…Had to copy the network settings from my old GoPhone to use 3G but LTE is there if I ever decide to switch a postpaid plan. Drag and drop file system, Bluetooth that just works, huge screen, tons of free apps. Still doesn’t beat my Windows 7 umpc for browsing the web with full control of text size and text flow control but there may be an app for that!

]]> By: Bill http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-257698 Bill Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:06:44 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-257698 The lotus case was over copyright not patents. Completely different things.

]]> The lotus case was over copyright not patents. Completely different things.

]]> By: Bill http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-257697 Bill Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:04:24 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-257697 Your prediction as to the result was off. It was always pretty obvious that Apple's legal argument was that Samsung 'slavishly copied' Apple's patents and protected designs. Not just that they slavishly copied. So I am not surprised Apple won the case, even though the judge bent backwards to avoid sanctioning Samsung for deleting evidence or releasing banned testimony. On the other hand, I agree completely that Apple is not really in this case for the money in terms of damages or royalties, or even injunctions. They are doing this to slow down Samsung, to make them look bad to the consumer, and to make every mobile phone manufacturer take careful steps to make their products different from the iPhone. I think that is all Apple wants. They have the turnover to pay the perhaps $500m a year IP costs them in terms of registering and enforcing patents, and the money from Samsung will go towards paying that. $500m a year is prohibitive for smaller players like HTC, or even Nokia (which did NOT get rights to Apple's crown jewel design patents in their settlement last year).

]]> Your prediction as to the result was off. It was always pretty obvious that Apple’s legal argument was that Samsung ‘slavishly copied’ Apple’s patents and protected designs. Not just that they slavishly copied. So I am not surprised Apple won the case, even though the judge bent backwards to avoid sanctioning Samsung for deleting evidence or releasing banned testimony.

On the other hand, I agree completely that Apple is not really in this case for the money in terms of damages or royalties, or even injunctions. They are doing this to slow down Samsung, to make them look bad to the consumer, and to make every mobile phone manufacturer take careful steps to make their products different from the iPhone. I think that is all Apple wants. They have the turnover to pay the perhaps $500m a year IP costs them in terms of registering and enforcing patents, and the money from Samsung will go towards paying that. $500m a year is prohibitive for smaller players like HTC, or even Nokia (which did NOT get rights to Apple’s crown jewel design patents in their settlement last year).

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-257105 Ronc Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:18:39 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-257105 That's probably because the use of the terms iPhone and iPad have become substitutes for smartphone and tablet. When it turns out not to function like the branded Apple product some will want to return it especially if it was a gift. There is not much one can do to avoid this misunderstanding except for Apple to do what Scotch has done: "Scotch brand cellophane tape".

]]> That’s probably because the use of the terms iPhone and iPad have become substitutes for smartphone and tablet. When it turns out not to function like the branded Apple product some will want to return it especially if it was a gift. There is not much one can do to avoid this misunderstanding except for Apple to do what Scotch has done: “Scotch brand cellophane tape”.

]]> By: MikeC http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-257007 MikeC Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:27 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-257007 Actually the most common reason why Samsung products are returned is because consumers thought they were buying iPads http://allthingsd.com/20120726/documents-in-apple-v-samsung-give-reporters-plenty-to-chew-on/

]]> Actually the most common reason why Samsung products are returned is because consumers thought they were buying iPads

http://allthingsd.com/20120726/documents-in-apple-v-samsung-give-reporters-plenty-to-chew-on/

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-255026 Ronc Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:18:40 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-255026 Not sure of the significance of ten feet. One would never be mistaken for the other by any reasonable shopper. We should not confuse functioning devices with status symbols or art.

]]> Not sure of the significance of ten feet. One would never be mistaken for the other by any reasonable shopper. We should not confuse functioning devices with status symbols or art.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-255024 Ronc Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:07:34 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-255024 Just because if performs the same functions and bears some resemblance does not mean it was illegally copied.

]]> Just because if performs the same functions and bears some resemblance does not mean it was illegally copied.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/07/31/apple-and-samsung-brands-at-war#comment-255022 Ronc Sun, 12 Aug 2012 22:02:08 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4553#comment-255022 There is nothing you can do to a propeller aircraft to make it fly like a jet.

]]> There is nothing you can do to a propeller aircraft to make it fly like a jet.

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