Comments on: The tablet computer rumble http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-tablet-computer-rumble on technology Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:50:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Isiah http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52592 Isiah Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:59:07 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52592 I've been surfing online more than 3 hours today, yet I never found any interesting article like yours. It's pretty worth enough for me. In my view, if all website owners and bloggers made good content as you did, the web will be much more useful than ever before. | I could not refrain from commenting. Very well written!| I’ll have a look at your link, but is it worth the money?

]]> I’ve been surfing online more than 3 hours today, yet I never found any interesting article like yours. It’s pretty worth enough for me.
In my view, if all website owners and bloggers made good content as you did,
the web will be much more useful than ever before.
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I could not refrain from commenting. Very well written!|
I’ll have a look at your link, but is it worth the money?

]]> By: Windows 8 Release http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52591 Windows 8 Release Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:21:23 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52591 I personally feel that there would be three distinct niches in the tablet categories. And Apple would probably remain a leader in terms of profit due to their large margins but they would lose significant market share in terms of number of tablets sold. Windows tablets including both Surface as well as third party tablets would make the biggest dent in the decline of iPad. Windows tablets are more practical and work friendly compared to both iOS and Android ones. I would not be surprised if powerful Windows tablets like the Surface Pro even makes a dent in the PC market in the long run. Android tablets would become the leader in terms of sales in the long run as they would be affordable for everyone. Even now, people with iPad have adopted Nexus 7 as their secondary tablet (in some cases, people have gradually started using Nexus 7 as their primary tablet instead of iPad). So, Apple would lose out a bit but the other two would definitely gain in the near future. If Windows tablets are made comparable to Android ones (or maybe $50 or so more) they will steal the whole market from everyone else.

]]> I personally feel that there would be three distinct niches in the tablet categories. And Apple would probably remain a leader in terms of profit due to their large margins but they would lose significant market share in terms of number of tablets sold. Windows tablets including both Surface as well as third party tablets would make the biggest dent in the decline of iPad. Windows tablets are more practical and work friendly compared to both iOS and Android ones. I would not be surprised if powerful Windows tablets like the Surface Pro even makes a dent in the PC market in the long run. Android tablets would become the leader in terms of sales in the long run as they would be affordable for everyone. Even now, people with iPad have adopted Nexus 7 as their secondary tablet (in some cases, people have gradually started using Nexus 7 as their primary tablet instead of iPad). So, Apple would lose out a bit but the other two would definitely gain in the near future. If Windows tablets are made comparable to Android ones (or maybe $50 or so more) they will steal the whole market from everyone else.

]]> By: John Owens http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52590 John Owens Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:04:18 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52590 People do not buy PCs because of price because they're inferior. I own an iPhone, Mac mini media server and a Mac book pro and I can undoubtedly say the Mac book pro is the biggest piece of over priced crap I have, it's slow, Mac os crashes and hangs and boot camp drivers are rubbish. The iPhone is great though. That said my wife just bought a Nokia Lumia 900 and it's awesome and yea I know but she didn't want to wait to windows 8. Don't underestimate the windows 8 tablets and phones over the next few years.

]]> People do not buy PCs because of price because they’re inferior. I own an iPhone, Mac mini media server and a Mac book pro and I can undoubtedly say the Mac book pro is the biggest piece of over priced crap I have, it’s slow, Mac os crashes and hangs and boot camp drivers are rubbish. The iPhone is great though.

That said my wife just bought a Nokia Lumia 900 and it’s awesome and yea I know but she didn’t want to wait to windows 8.

Don’t underestimate the windows 8 tablets and phones over the next few years.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52589 Ronc Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:30:51 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52589 Win RT is the iPad equivalent (but with a keyboard for a screen cover). Windows 8 is the ultrabook and Windows Phone 8 is the phone. True, they share similar interfaces, fine with me. It's also true that Windows 8 is based on older technology to maintain compatibility with tons of existing software. Sort of like OSX and Linux are based on Unix from the 70s.

]]> Win RT is the iPad equivalent (but with a keyboard for a screen cover). Windows 8 is the ultrabook and Windows Phone 8 is the phone. True, they share similar interfaces, fine with me. It’s also true that Windows 8 is based on older technology to maintain compatibility with tons of existing software. Sort of like OSX and Linux are based on Unix from the 70s.

]]> By: Joe http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52588 Joe Wed, 25 Jul 2012 03:19:22 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52588 Having seen Microsoft in action again and again, I can safely predict they will not deliver a competitive tablet. They simply CANNOT EXECUTE. Everything there takes 10x longer than it should and the design process is simply a top-down joke. Plus, their concept of a tablet is a laptop with a touch screen. People who actually want a tablet won't be able to get one. Why? Microsoft knows best (or rather they arrogantly think they do). How many of you supposedly knowledgeable geeks realize this... windows 8/7/6 is really just windows 2000 with the icons moved around and a few minor feature additions. That's all this monster is capable of doing in a 2-year product cycle -- putting a different color lipstick on the old pig.

]]> Having seen Microsoft in action again and again, I can safely predict they will not deliver a competitive tablet. They simply CANNOT EXECUTE. Everything there takes 10x longer than it should and the design process is simply a top-down joke.

Plus, their concept of a tablet is a laptop with a touch screen. People who actually want a tablet won’t be able to get one. Why? Microsoft knows best (or rather they arrogantly think they do).

How many of you supposedly knowledgeable geeks realize this… windows 8/7/6 is really just windows 2000 with the icons moved around and a few minor feature additions. That’s all this monster is capable of doing in a 2-year product cycle — putting a different color lipstick on the old pig.

]]> By: iPadCary http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52587 iPadCary Sat, 07 Jul 2012 23:07:17 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52587 "WHEN YOU BUY TABS"  [Sung To The Tune Of "When You're A Jet"]  When You're Buy Tabs  And You Choose One Today  You've A Choice Between IPad  Gar-bahj & Crap-pay ! There's Only One  And You Know What That Is ....  It's The Tab That Is Fun 'Cause Ev'ry KnockOff Tab Is  A FAIL In eBiz ! OK, so I ain't Sondheim ....  I'm like the guy in the painting in "GoodFellas" -- "Whaddya want from *me*?"

]]> “WHEN YOU BUY TABS” 
[Sung To The Tune Of "When You're A Jet"] 

When You’re Buy Tabs 
And You Choose One Today 
You’ve A Choice Between IPad 
Gar-bahj & Crap-pay !

There’s Only One 
And You Know What That Is …. 
It’s The Tab That Is Fun
‘Cause Ev’ry KnockOff Tab Is 
A FAIL In eBiz !

OK, so I ain’t Sondheim …. 
I’m like the guy in the painting in “GoodFellas” — “Whaddya want from *me*?”

]]> By: Roland http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52586 Roland Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:48:34 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52586 Have you ever been anywhere near a wombat? They will bite your A** off if you give them half a chance. But hey, a tablet could do the same thing to your wallet, so maybe you're right.

]]> Have you ever been anywhere near a wombat? They will bite your A** off if you give them half a chance. But hey, a tablet could do the same thing to your wallet, so maybe you’re right.

]]> By: Cris E http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52585 Cris E Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:01:10 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52585 I was with you up to the end, but your last bit veered off the mark. Jobs didn't love the cloud per se, he loved the total control of the user's media. He loved the toll gates to the apps, to the user-generated content, to the third party revenues. If he could have gotten that boost from local disk or floppy disks he'd have been there, but the cloud offered the greatest lock-in. You might have been saying that, but control was the goal and cloud was merely the means. When approaching the world from a peculiar perspective you do have to accept some opportunity costs, and Apple has chosen control of users over enterprise revenues. If you open the platform enough to do a good job on network security and AD integration and expose more of the system to third parties you're just asking for trouble on the consumer side, and they're baling cash from that market. Given how poorly they compare on price and software support for staples like Project and many non-web-based development tools, there's very little reason for them to put the golden goose in harm's way. Corporate IT can't support Macs without virtual Windows instances on the desktop, and to change things enough in general to make a difference there puts many other aspects of the platform at risk. Frankly the last iteration of OS X seemed to push the computer OS in the direction of the iOS rather than move it toward the corporate market: a simpler interface, an app store, etc. (Early version of Win8 had the same thought.) If anything Apple seems to be distancing themselves intentionally and forcing a showdown in boardrooms between execs and users who want the cool vs bean counters and traditional IT support staff and vendors who have software to run and budgets to meet. It worked on the phone and it'll probably work on the pads and they really don't care about anything larger because it's expensive to develop and support and the margins are terrible.

]]> I was with you up to the end, but your last bit veered off the mark.

Jobs didn’t love the cloud per se, he loved the total control of the user’s media. He loved the toll gates to the apps, to the user-generated content, to the third party revenues. If he could have gotten that boost from local disk or floppy disks he’d have been there, but the cloud offered the greatest lock-in. You might have been saying that, but control was the goal and cloud was merely the means.

When approaching the world from a peculiar perspective you do have to accept some opportunity costs, and Apple has chosen control of users over enterprise revenues. If you open the platform enough to do a good job on network security and AD integration and expose more of the system to third parties you’re just asking for trouble on the consumer side, and they’re baling cash from that market. Given how poorly they compare on price and software support for staples like Project and many non-web-based development tools, there’s very little reason for them to put the golden goose in harm’s way. Corporate IT can’t support Macs without virtual Windows instances on the desktop, and to change things enough in general to make a difference there puts many other aspects of the platform at risk.

Frankly the last iteration of OS X seemed to push the computer OS in the direction of the iOS rather than move it toward the corporate market: a simpler interface, an app store, etc. (Early version of Win8 had the same thought.) If anything Apple seems to be distancing themselves intentionally and forcing a showdown in boardrooms between execs and users who want the cool vs bean counters and traditional IT support staff and vendors who have software to run and budgets to meet. It worked on the phone and it’ll probably work on the pads and they really don’t care about anything larger because it’s expensive to develop and support and the margins are terrible.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52584 Ronc Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:36:41 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52584 Nothing would change since, unlike Windows 8 and all previous versions of Windows, Windows RT will only be included with a device like an ARM tablet [or an ARM phone in the case of Windows RTP (Phone version of RT)]. However there is nothing to stop Apple from making an agreement with Microsoft to include RT on their iOS devices and building in a dual boot app. The problem from Apple's point of view is they would have to support WinRT on their device; that is, unless Microsoft agrees to take over the support calls related to the WinRT mode which would be difficult since Apple would normally provide the drivers (i.e. the WinRT software that controls the Apple/ARM hardware) as Apple does now for Boot Camp.

]]> Nothing would change since, unlike Windows 8 and all previous versions of Windows, Windows RT will only be included with a device like an ARM tablet [or an ARM phone in the case of Windows RTP (Phone version of RT)]. However there is nothing to stop Apple from making an agreement with Microsoft to include RT on their iOS devices and building in a dual boot app. The problem from Apple’s point of view is they would have to support WinRT on their device; that is, unless Microsoft agrees to take over the support calls related to the WinRT mode which would be difficult since Apple would normally provide the drivers (i.e. the WinRT software that controls the Apple/ARM hardware) as Apple does now for Boot Camp.

]]> By: Ronc http://www.cringely.com/2012/06/24/the-tablet-computer-rumble/#comment-52583 Ronc Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:04:06 +0000 http://www.cringely.com/?p=4427#comment-52583 Enjoy your iThings.

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