<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" > <channel><title>Comments on: Google 2010: What Makes the Muskrat Guard His Musk?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/</link> <description>Cringely on technology</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:25:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: info artis</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-21531</link> <dc:creator>info artis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-21531</guid> <description>So, what is the main issue of your post? could yo tell me clearly?&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turbovps.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cheap VPS&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what is the main issue of your post? could yo tell me clearly?</p><p><a href="http://www.turbovps.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap VPS</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: htc pure</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-20466</link> <dc:creator>htc pure</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:31:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-20466</guid> <description>i&#039;ve had my pure for per week now and that i nonetheless dont know what to do... like altering the message alert tone to no matter i want it not simply the fundamental ones on the phone...  everything about this telephone is complicating.. i also wanted to change to that android software program because windows is just too sluggish and someone please help me how to do this</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve had my pure for per week now and that i nonetheless dont know what to do&#8230; like altering the message alert tone to no matter i want it not simply the fundamental ones on the phone&#8230;  everything about this telephone is complicating.. i also wanted to change to that android software program because windows is just too sluggish and someone please help me how to do this</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Julian</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-14925</link> <dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:31:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-14925</guid> <description>This is a silly argument.  To begin with, the CCP already subsidizes Baidu, the real search market leader in China, to such a ridiculous degree that no Western company can really compete, which is one of the main reasons Google felt comfortable pulling out of that market.  The simple fact that you are unaware of the basic market structure of internet search in China throws into question the rest of your wild-eyed assumptions.As to satellite internet, I think your other readers have done an excellent job of explaining why, exactly, that is not the end-all-be-all freedom-media of the new era.  The only addition I would make would be to remind you of Rupert Murdoch and his attempt to become the satellite media provider for the Chinese market in the late 90s, early 00s.  The result?  After losing hundreds of millions due to Beijing&#039;s interference, he left the market, and it is now dominated by home-grown providers, who they control, that stole his tech with government backing.  Why is it so hard to understand that the one and only reason for the CCP&#039;s existence is to retain power, whether it be over information, public policy, or anything else, and that they will not allow any organization which they do not control to share that power?  They charge reporters who report on broken roads with felonies, for pete&#039;s sake; you think they&#039;re going to let any foreign, independent company have a dominant market share in any field?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a silly argument.  To begin with, the CCP already subsidizes Baidu, the real search market leader in China, to such a ridiculous degree that no Western company can really compete, which is one of the main reasons Google felt comfortable pulling out of that market.  The simple fact that you are unaware of the basic market structure of internet search in China throws into question the rest of your wild-eyed assumptions.</p><p>As to satellite internet, I think your other readers have done an excellent job of explaining why, exactly, that is not the end-all-be-all freedom-media of the new era.  The only addition I would make would be to remind you of Rupert Murdoch and his attempt to become the satellite media provider for the Chinese market in the late 90s, early 00s.  The result?  After losing hundreds of millions due to Beijing&#8217;s interference, he left the market, and it is now dominated by home-grown providers, who they control, that stole his tech with government backing.  Why is it so hard to understand that the one and only reason for the CCP&#8217;s existence is to retain power, whether it be over information, public policy, or anything else, and that they will not allow any organization which they do not control to share that power?  They charge reporters who report on broken roads with felonies, for pete&#8217;s sake; you think they&#8217;re going to let any foreign, independent company have a dominant market share in any field?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matunos</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-14921</link> <dc:creator>Matunos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:38:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-14921</guid> <description>&quot;Now to China where hackers or spies or who-knows-who have been attacking Google and the search giant is threatening to take its ball and go home, leaving completely the Chinese market. What sense does this make? It makes no sense to me. Google is going to have zero impact on China — zero — by abandoning that market, which Microsoft and Yahoo will gladly fill. so threatening to walk away is simply stupid.&quot;I have to disagree. I think there are several angles to this move:1. The Chinese government was (allegedly) hacking into dissidents&#039; gmail accounts. While this itself has little to do with google.cn per se (I don&#039;t think google offered gmail from the mainland servers), if true, it demonstrates the extremes that Dà Gēgē is willing to go to in order clamp down on freedom. The announcement from GoDaddy about the PRC&#039;s invasive demands around domain registration would seem to confirm this.2. I imagine many google employees, you know the cream of the crop eggheads with lots of letters after their name, were not particularly happy to be working for a company whose prime directive is to not be evil and whose prime business is to provide access to a global web of information, to be engaging in political censorship on behalf of an authoritarian regime. I bet they weren&#039;t happy with it when Google announced it, and the signs that Google&#039;s presence in the market there weren&#039;t improving the situation just made the cyber attacks the last straw.3. An unintentional(?) benefit to their actions now may be that one day, perhaps in the distant future, when Chinese citizens actually get to enjoy their freedom along with their Gucci and Prada, they will remember which company took a principled stand. In the meantime, we here lucky enough to already be in the Free World can remember it for them.I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on over in China, but the cyber-attack allegations, along with the leaked instructions to their news outlets about the whole issue, indicate that whatever it is, it&#039;s not creeping freedom. We&#039;ve been told that integration China into the world economy will help spread freedom more than isolating them, and that&#039;s probably true. But that doesn&#039;t mean we have to actively collaborate with them on technological means of oppression.It&#039;s about time a major company put principles before profits. Shame on all the other tech companies who happily offer their products in direct service to oppression.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now to China where hackers or spies or who-knows-who have been attacking Google and the search giant is threatening to take its ball and go home, leaving completely the Chinese market. What sense does this make? It makes no sense to me. Google is going to have zero impact on China — zero — by abandoning that market, which Microsoft and Yahoo will gladly fill. so threatening to walk away is simply stupid.&#8221;</p><p>I have to disagree. I think there are several angles to this move:</p><p>1. The Chinese government was (allegedly) hacking into dissidents&#8217; gmail accounts. While this itself has little to do with google.cn per se (I don&#8217;t think google offered gmail from the mainland servers), if true, it demonstrates the extremes that Dà Gēgē is willing to go to in order clamp down on freedom. The announcement from GoDaddy about the PRC&#8217;s invasive demands around domain registration would seem to confirm this.</p><p>2. I imagine many google employees, you know the cream of the crop eggheads with lots of letters after their name, were not particularly happy to be working for a company whose prime directive is to not be evil and whose prime business is to provide access to a global web of information, to be engaging in political censorship on behalf of an authoritarian regime. I bet they weren&#8217;t happy with it when Google announced it, and the signs that Google&#8217;s presence in the market there weren&#8217;t improving the situation just made the cyber attacks the last straw.</p><p>3. An unintentional(?) benefit to their actions now may be that one day, perhaps in the distant future, when Chinese citizens actually get to enjoy their freedom along with their Gucci and Prada, they will remember which company took a principled stand. In the meantime, we here lucky enough to already be in the Free World can remember it for them.</p><p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on over in China, but the cyber-attack allegations, along with the leaked instructions to their news outlets about the whole issue, indicate that whatever it is, it&#8217;s not creeping freedom. We&#8217;ve been told that integration China into the world economy will help spread freedom more than isolating them, and that&#8217;s probably true. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we have to actively collaborate with them on technological means of oppression.</p><p>It&#8217;s about time a major company put principles before profits. Shame on all the other tech companies who happily offer their products in direct service to oppression.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ZLN</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-14920</link> <dc:creator>ZLN</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-14920</guid> <description>I&#039;m afraid you are quite wrong about the impact of Google leaving China. Had Google stayed, it would have been kept to a distant second (the government will make sure of that — can you name a non-Chinese tech company who has close to anything like the market position it enjoys in the rest of the world?). When Google pulled up stakes, it stirred up the broadest, and the most critical, conversation among Chinese netizens about censorship and the future of the Chinese internet. This would not be happening without Google&#039;s departure as a galvanizing moment. You would be surprised by the depth and breadth of dissatisfaction about government censorship of the internet, often fro people who rarely use Google, all over the Chinese internet. I am convinced this is marks the moment when scales start to fall from the eyes of Chinese internet users.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you are quite wrong about the impact of Google leaving China. Had Google stayed, it would have been kept to a distant second (the government will make sure of that — can you name a non-Chinese tech company who has close to anything like the market position it enjoys in the rest of the world?). When Google pulled up stakes, it stirred up the broadest, and the most critical, conversation among Chinese netizens about censorship and the future of the Chinese internet. This would not be happening without Google&#8217;s departure as a galvanizing moment. You would be surprised by the depth and breadth of dissatisfaction about government censorship of the internet, often fro people who rarely use Google, all over the Chinese internet. I am convinced this is marks the moment when scales start to fall from the eyes of Chinese internet users.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bakum</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-14917</link> <dc:creator>Bakum</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:54:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-14917</guid> <description>So what, exactly, would you call launching a network of satellites with the express purpose of circumventing Chinese national infosec?  Playing golf?  I think the Chinese would definitely consider shooting down these satellites especially if the open pipe was causing the regime trouble.  And what&#039;s any other reasonable government going to say?  Nothing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what, exactly, would you call launching a network of satellites with the express purpose of circumventing Chinese national infosec?  Playing golf?  I think the Chinese would definitely consider shooting down these satellites especially if the open pipe was causing the regime trouble.  And what&#8217;s any other reasonable government going to say?  Nothing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Freemon Sandlewould</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-14741</link> <dc:creator>Freemon Sandlewould</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-14741</guid> <description>could it be that the Chinese just wanted google in China long enough to allow their chinese employees to get their hands all over the technology Google uses????I expect if google leaves that some very similar stuff will start popping up in china</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could it be that the Chinese just wanted google in China long enough to allow their chinese employees to get their hands all over the technology Google uses????</p><p>I expect if google leaves that some very similar stuff will start popping up in china</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: YetAnotherBob</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-13182</link> <dc:creator>YetAnotherBob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-13182</guid> <description>Off Topic, but...In past years the best of Bob&#039;s columns has been where he goes over all of the predictions for the previous year, and scores himself. How did he do?Have you written one of those yet if so, which one is it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off Topic, but&#8230;</p><p>In past years the best of Bob&#8217;s columns has been where he goes over all of the predictions for the previous year, and scores himself. How did he do?</p><p>Have you written one of those yet if so, which one is it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Margaret Hoagberg</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-13046</link> <dc:creator>Margaret Hoagberg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-13046</guid> <description>informative</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>informative</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mkkby</title><link>http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/comment-page-1/#comment-12182</link> <dc:creator>Mkkby</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:04:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cringely.com/?p=1232#comment-12182</guid> <description>Google has lost it&#039;s way.  Is it a marketing company, a hardware company, a software company, a charity or something else?  It seems like their search results are degrading.  Losing focus is the first step in losing relevance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has lost it&#8217;s way.  Is it a marketing company, a hardware company, a software company, a charity or something else?  It seems like their search results are degrading.  Losing focus is the first step in losing relevance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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