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		<title>By: Timothy Parks</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-12434</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can be a I adore a few of the articles which were written, and especially the comments posted! I&#039;ll definately be visiting again!</description>
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		<title>By: Minux</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9570</link>
		<dc:creator>Minux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,  exmicrosoft, I work for Microsoft.  I told Billy Boy that you said hello. 

With that being said, you&#039;re comments would have made sense, years ago, before major content providers realized they don&#039;t make as much money as they wanted, because of Apple.  Point is, with all forms of advertising down, no one is going to pay Google to be on their service.  Again, this may have worked, if that&#039;s exactly what Apple did, when they did the first iTunes, but now, they don&#039;t have a snow ball&#039;s chance in heck, as it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  exmicrosoft, I work for Microsoft.  I told Billy Boy that you said hello. </p>
<p>With that being said, you&#8217;re comments would have made sense, years ago, before major content providers realized they don&#8217;t make as much money as they wanted, because of Apple.  Point is, with all forms of advertising down, no one is going to pay Google to be on their service.  Again, this may have worked, if that&#8217;s exactly what Apple did, when they did the first iTunes, but now, they don&#8217;t have a snow ball&#8217;s chance in heck, as it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: exmicrosoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>exmicrosoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there Minux
So, do you work for Microsoft?
Anyway, I do predict that Google will win. They will win via strategy that we have not even imagined yet. And no, they won&#039;t put ads in your OS. What they will do is have millions upon millions of streams of revenue. TV is going away as an advertising medium, so to reach those numbers you need google and the google content network. it can and will deliver the viewers. but intstead of the ad dollars going to tens or hundreds of networks and thousands or print vehicles, those dollars will all go to google--that&#039;s right, to one company, not many thousands of companies. they don&#039;t even need to win the OS war, but they might, just for fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there Minux<br />
So, do you work for Microsoft?<br />
Anyway, I do predict that Google will win. They will win via strategy that we have not even imagined yet. And no, they won&#8217;t put ads in your OS. What they will do is have millions upon millions of streams of revenue. TV is going away as an advertising medium, so to reach those numbers you need google and the google content network. it can and will deliver the viewers. but intstead of the ad dollars going to tens or hundreds of networks and thousands or print vehicles, those dollars will all go to google&#8211;that&#8217;s right, to one company, not many thousands of companies. they don&#8217;t even need to win the OS war, but they might, just for fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously?
Java apps and the inability to install anything &#039;homebrew&#039; or by other suppliers?!

That will in no way be a threat to any corporate installment of Windows. 

Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?<br />
Java apps and the inability to install anything &#8216;homebrew&#8217; or by other suppliers?!</p>
<p>That will in no way be a threat to any corporate installment of Windows. </p>
<p>Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fratag</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fratag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Google Chrome will fail to break the Microsoft Juggernaut is because the current way of doing things is good enough and getting better.  The average user is resistant to change..  The average user I see, is happy with the way things are.   All Micosoft needs to do is evolve its software for the better as they have done with Windows 7 and Office 2007, add a few data sharing Internet based components, and people will stay with the system they know.  Even the people I switch over to Apple insist on MS Office being on the new system, and with Windows 7, why switch to a new OS at all.   I wouldn&#039;t underestimate Mircrosoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Google Chrome will fail to break the Microsoft Juggernaut is because the current way of doing things is good enough and getting better.  The average user is resistant to change..  The average user I see, is happy with the way things are.   All Micosoft needs to do is evolve its software for the better as they have done with Windows 7 and Office 2007, add a few data sharing Internet based components, and people will stay with the system they know.  Even the people I switch over to Apple insist on MS Office being on the new system, and with Windows 7, why switch to a new OS at all.   I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate Mircrosoft.</p>
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		<title>By: erioshi</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9378</link>
		<dc:creator>erioshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually your presentation of your point is probably the most spot-on I&#039;ve seen here.  However I think it also illustrates exactly the point you are arguing against as well.

Remote terminal / remote desktop technologies as generally used when the local client can&#039;t meet the needs of the application for some reason.  Those reasons tend to be hardware, software or geographically driven.  In every case, there was some version of &quot;local&quot;, even if that local was the on-site mainframe.  In the end it turned out to be easier to give everyone a faster box with more local capacity.

The web browser has largely solved those issues.  It&#039;s essentially platform independent, has access to the local machine and network when needed.  Web browsers receive code to be run on the local machine from a server and process it locally and for the most part network latency has dropped to the point where it&#039;s not a bit problem; even on the Internet.

Examples of the problems already being solved are everywhere on the web.  We all use the web extensively for shopping, information, file exchanges, email, IM, etc. ad nausem.  In short most of the applications we depend on are already being viewed through a portal and hosted remotely.  There are exceptions, but those could be solved (temporarily) using either a hybrid format (like most online games; a local client domain specific program that dependents on a remote server to run) or temporarily though a remote terminal / desktop until that application can be repacked (or wrapped in middleware) to make it a web service.

Nothing I do anymore is independent of the web.  Even if I&#039;m working on CAD or programming I end up referring to the web for more information or to share the work I&#039;ve accomplished with others.  If my CAD software or games were browser plug-ins my overall technology experience wouldn&#039;t be noticeably different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually your presentation of your point is probably the most spot-on I&#8217;ve seen here.  However I think it also illustrates exactly the point you are arguing against as well.</p>
<p>Remote terminal / remote desktop technologies as generally used when the local client can&#8217;t meet the needs of the application for some reason.  Those reasons tend to be hardware, software or geographically driven.  In every case, there was some version of &#8220;local&#8221;, even if that local was the on-site mainframe.  In the end it turned out to be easier to give everyone a faster box with more local capacity.</p>
<p>The web browser has largely solved those issues.  It&#8217;s essentially platform independent, has access to the local machine and network when needed.  Web browsers receive code to be run on the local machine from a server and process it locally and for the most part network latency has dropped to the point where it&#8217;s not a bit problem; even on the Internet.</p>
<p>Examples of the problems already being solved are everywhere on the web.  We all use the web extensively for shopping, information, file exchanges, email, IM, etc. ad nausem.  In short most of the applications we depend on are already being viewed through a portal and hosted remotely.  There are exceptions, but those could be solved (temporarily) using either a hybrid format (like most online games; a local client domain specific program that dependents on a remote server to run) or temporarily though a remote terminal / desktop until that application can be repacked (or wrapped in middleware) to make it a web service.</p>
<p>Nothing I do anymore is independent of the web.  Even if I&#8217;m working on CAD or programming I end up referring to the web for more information or to share the work I&#8217;ve accomplished with others.  If my CAD software or games were browser plug-ins my overall technology experience wouldn&#8217;t be noticeably different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9370</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Minux..

Quote – &quot;Microsoft was afraid of Netscape. Not because it would replace IE and cut Microsoft off from the browser “market”, but in case Netscape ever became an OS into and onto itself.&quot;

Strange, I remember this differently, that MS precisely bundled and then incorporated IE into the OS to stage their play to the DOJ that it was an essential component of Windows? They wiped out Netscape Navigator with the power of the free bundled software, and could afford to pay the DOJ a million bucks a day to prove their long winded case!

Quote – &quot;Chrome OS hopes to achieve what Netscape never could: replace Windows. It wants to do this through utilizing ad revenue to make two things free: both the OS and the hardware that will access the cloud.&quot;

Is this what you really want, ads built into your OS?!!
What price freedom!, Oops, I mean free apps!!
Regardless of the ethics concerning free stuff and free apps, do you realise you throw away your freedom and rights not to be tormented by spyware and have your every click monitored!

Quote – &quot;Computer sales are down. Apple is gaining a market share, while the market is shrinking. People aren’t buying PCs every three years. Those days are done&quot;. 

I disagree, whilst desktop sales may be down, have you noticed the focus on laptops and notebooks, and now even netbooks, (writing on one now). These have never been cheaper to buy, and they are readily bundled with and healthily spreading the new success of windows 7. 

Apple PC sales may well be down, (whats new?) Yet do we all want Iphones and Ipods, do we all use these? The answer is no, for the most part they are pants – trendy pants, yes! But still pants regardless, (apart from itunes and that compass thingy that tells you which way you&#039;re pointing – very useful).

Even if Chrome’s hardware is free, will it be enough for people to give up their PCs and switch to a mobile platform that is always connected? That is the million dollar question over at Google.

NO ! …and that answer for Google is for free!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Minux..</p>
<p>Quote – &#8220;Microsoft was afraid of Netscape. Not because it would replace IE and cut Microsoft off from the browser “market”, but in case Netscape ever became an OS into and onto itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strange, I remember this differently, that MS precisely bundled and then incorporated IE into the OS to stage their play to the DOJ that it was an essential component of Windows? They wiped out Netscape Navigator with the power of the free bundled software, and could afford to pay the DOJ a million bucks a day to prove their long winded case!</p>
<p>Quote – &#8220;Chrome OS hopes to achieve what Netscape never could: replace Windows. It wants to do this through utilizing ad revenue to make two things free: both the OS and the hardware that will access the cloud.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this what you really want, ads built into your OS?!!<br />
What price freedom!, Oops, I mean free apps!!<br />
Regardless of the ethics concerning free stuff and free apps, do you realise you throw away your freedom and rights not to be tormented by spyware and have your every click monitored!</p>
<p>Quote – &#8220;Computer sales are down. Apple is gaining a market share, while the market is shrinking. People aren’t buying PCs every three years. Those days are done&#8221;. </p>
<p>I disagree, whilst desktop sales may be down, have you noticed the focus on laptops and notebooks, and now even netbooks, (writing on one now). These have never been cheaper to buy, and they are readily bundled with and healthily spreading the new success of windows 7. </p>
<p>Apple PC sales may well be down, (whats new?) Yet do we all want Iphones and Ipods, do we all use these? The answer is no, for the most part they are pants – trendy pants, yes! But still pants regardless, (apart from itunes and that compass thingy that tells you which way you&#8217;re pointing – very useful).</p>
<p>Even if Chrome’s hardware is free, will it be enough for people to give up their PCs and switch to a mobile platform that is always connected? That is the million dollar question over at Google.</p>
<p>NO ! …and that answer for Google is for free!</p>
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		<title>By: Another Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9193</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone may have already mentioned this, but remember mainframes and X Terminals.  That was supposed to be big because all the computing happened on big, fast hardware, and only the user interface went over the network to the X Terminal.  That seems similar to Chrome and even cloud computing.  It bombed.  Why, and what does that portend for Chrome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone may have already mentioned this, but remember mainframes and X Terminals.  That was supposed to be big because all the computing happened on big, fast hardware, and only the user interface went over the network to the X Terminal.  That seems similar to Chrome and even cloud computing.  It bombed.  Why, and what does that portend for Chrome?</p>
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		<title>By: Minux</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/11/chrome-and-chrome-what-is-chrome/comment-page-2/#comment-9171</link>
		<dc:creator>Minux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft was afraid of Netscape.  Not because it would replace IE and cut Microsoft off from the browser “market”, but in case Netscape ever became an OS into and onto itself.  As recent times have shown, alternative web browsers have slammed IE in recent years, with few people actually relying on IE to browse the web.  But, has it hurt Microsoft?  Maybe, in terms of people becoming in tune with alternatives outside Redmond, but Redmond isn&#039;t suffering from lack of money.  Not yet, any ways.  

Google released Chrome.  Not the OS, but the browser.  Looking at the numbers, one can assume that Chrome has not gained as much traction on platforms as Google may have wanted.  Firefox has been near perfect in fending off the competition and its sustainability and growth is evident of that.  Firefox doesn&#039;t care about competition, because it can always return to Linux, being just as community driven as it once was and it&#039;ll be fine.  Firefox and IE are in no fear of Chrome.  
	
Chrome OS hopes to achieve what Netscape never could: replace Windows.  It wants to do this through utilizing ad revenue to make two things free: both the OS and the hardware that will access the cloud.  The question that remains for Google is in spit of the recent economic downturn, will it be able to?  

Computer sales are down.  Apple is gaining a market share, while the market is shrinking.  People aren&#039;t buying PCs every three years.  Those days are done.  Even if Chrome&#039;s hardware is free, will it be enough for people to give up their PCs and switch to a mobile platform that is always connected?  That is the million dollar question over at Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft was afraid of Netscape.  Not because it would replace IE and cut Microsoft off from the browser “market”, but in case Netscape ever became an OS into and onto itself.  As recent times have shown, alternative web browsers have slammed IE in recent years, with few people actually relying on IE to browse the web.  But, has it hurt Microsoft?  Maybe, in terms of people becoming in tune with alternatives outside Redmond, but Redmond isn&#8217;t suffering from lack of money.  Not yet, any ways.  </p>
<p>Google released Chrome.  Not the OS, but the browser.  Looking at the numbers, one can assume that Chrome has not gained as much traction on platforms as Google may have wanted.  Firefox has been near perfect in fending off the competition and its sustainability and growth is evident of that.  Firefox doesn&#8217;t care about competition, because it can always return to Linux, being just as community driven as it once was and it&#8217;ll be fine.  Firefox and IE are in no fear of Chrome.  </p>
<p>Chrome OS hopes to achieve what Netscape never could: replace Windows.  It wants to do this through utilizing ad revenue to make two things free: both the OS and the hardware that will access the cloud.  The question that remains for Google is in spit of the recent economic downturn, will it be able to?  </p>
<p>Computer sales are down.  Apple is gaining a market share, while the market is shrinking.  People aren&#8217;t buying PCs every three years.  Those days are done.  Even if Chrome&#8217;s hardware is free, will it be enough for people to give up their PCs and switch to a mobile platform that is always connected?  That is the million dollar question over at Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Minux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,  Gustave. 

The future is really going to be interesting.  I think you make an excellent point about cloud computing really already being here.  Really, we can even go ahead and say that all data mining is a form of cloud computing.  As you point out, anyone who listens/watches/reads the news is well aware of the emphasis this country is placing on the availability of information.  

Any ways, well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,  Gustave. </p>
<p>The future is really going to be interesting.  I think you make an excellent point about cloud computing really already being here.  Really, we can even go ahead and say that all data mining is a form of cloud computing.  As you point out, anyone who listens/watches/reads the news is well aware of the emphasis this country is placing on the availability of information.  </p>
<p>Any ways, well said.</p>
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