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	<title>Comments on: Google/Adobe?  No.</title>
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		<title>By: Love Triana</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-13995</link>
		<dc:creator>Love Triana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I came across this blog article while searching for help with Microsoft Silverlight. I&#039;ve recently switched internet browser from Chrome to Microsoft Internet Explorer 5. After the change I seem to have a problem with loading sites that use Microsoft Silverlight. Everytime I go on a website that requires Microsoft Silverlight, the site crashes and I get a &quot;npctrl.dll&quot; error. I can&#039;t seem to find out how to fix the problem. Any aid getting Microsoft Silverlight to function is very appreciated! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I came across this blog article while searching for help with Microsoft Silverlight. I&#8217;ve recently switched internet browser from Chrome to Microsoft Internet Explorer 5. After the change I seem to have a problem with loading sites that use Microsoft Silverlight. Everytime I go on a website that requires Microsoft Silverlight, the site crashes and I get a &#8220;npctrl.dll&#8221; error. I can&#8217;t seem to find out how to fix the problem. Any aid getting Microsoft Silverlight to function is very appreciated! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Maddie Wemhoff</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-11139</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddie Wemhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like blogs like this one, I am sure you put an effort on it to keep it up. Nice post, grazie mille .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like blogs like this one, I am sure you put an effort on it to keep it up. Nice post, grazie mille .</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny Acosta</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-10628</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Acosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this, I can not find an information which is so clear and through up to now. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mbi.com.tr/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Erp, customer relationship management &lt;/A&gt;are my favourites, please check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this, I can not find an information which is so clear and through up to now. <a href="http://www.mbi.com.tr/" rel="nofollow">Erp, customer relationship management </a>are my favourites, please check.</p>
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		<title>By: betclic</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-9164</link>
		<dc:creator>betclic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comfortably, the post is in reality the freshest on this notable topic. I agree with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your next updates. Saying thanks will not just be sufficient, for the phenomenal clarity in your writing. I will directly grab your rss feed to stay informed of any updates. Good work and much success in yourbusiness efforts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comfortably, the post is in reality the freshest on this notable topic. I agree with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your next updates. Saying thanks will not just be sufficient, for the phenomenal clarity in your writing. I will directly grab your rss feed to stay informed of any updates. Good work and much success in yourbusiness efforts!</p>
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		<title>By: Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4840</link>
		<dc:creator>Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason Apple doesn&#039;t want Flash on the iPhone platform is a strategic one.  Flash can be a whole other alternative application platform.  If it was on the iPhone OS, developers could deploy games and other apps onto the iPhone without going through the App Store, which would end Apple&#039;s control as gatekeeper on non-web apps on the iPhone and the profits that go along with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason Apple doesn&#8217;t want Flash on the iPhone platform is a strategic one.  Flash can be a whole other alternative application platform.  If it was on the iPhone OS, developers could deploy games and other apps onto the iPhone without going through the App Store, which would end Apple&#8217;s control as gatekeeper on non-web apps on the iPhone and the profits that go along with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Banned in Boston</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4269</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &#039;engineer&#039;: you said: &quot;Its always a risk for non-engineers to write about technical issues.&quot;

I say: Then you need to change your handle, &#039;engineer&#039;, because you clearly fall into the non-engineer category--as based on the number and severity of mis-statements in your post!



Claim: &quot;Flash is nothing more than a very lightweight, and poorly implemented scripting language.&quot;

Facts: Flash is: 1) a virtual machine (VM) and run-time environment (the Flash &#039;Player&#039;); and 2) is also the name of the tool/application which one uses to create dynamic images which run in the VM. The Flash VM can execute AS3 &amp; AS2 code. It executes _binary_ (byte) code and NOT _source_ code. Note: Java and the .NET languages (i.e., C#) use similar byte code and VM technologies. Flash AS3 code supports modern object-oriented programming constructs (classes, inheritance, interfaces, polymorphism), plus other mechanisms such as: generics, data binding, both static and dynamic typing.

Counter-claim: It would be no more accurate to call Flash AS3 code a &quot;scripting language&quot; than it would be to call Java or C# the same.

Informed Opinion: you called [Flash AS code] &quot;...very lightweight, and poorly implemented...&quot;. I would argue that Flash&#039;s strongly increasing acceptance as a Web Application and Cross-Platform Application tool (using the Flex and AIR frameworks) would contradict your claim. Furthermore, it has seen great acceptance among software developers with an interest in strong software _engineering_ (for example, among leading-edge Java developers).



Claim: &quot;Even Flash Video is obsolete now that h.264 is an open standard.&quot;

Fact: The most recent versions of the Flash VM include H.264 support.

Question: So _how_ has Flash Video become obsolete? Please, be _specific_.

Counter-Claim: The Flash VM&#039;s inclusion of H.264 is a solid indication of its continued relevance and popularity.


Claim: &quot;The only thing Flash ever had going for it was...a bit more dynamism than existing html markup allowed.&quot;

Fact: major applications have been built with the Flash VM as their underpinnings. These include complex things like word processors (Buzzword), image editors (Photoshop.com), Visio-like diagramming tools; and countless Enterprise/Line-Of-Business applications (being used internally by major corporations).

Counter-Claim: applications can be built on the Flash platform that are as portable as Java applications and potentially are as rich as Java/MacOS (Cocoa)/Windows (.NET) ones.



Claim: &quot;Apple is clearly behind H.264 and HTML 5 both open standards that go to the core of the value that flash added to the web experience in the 1990s.&quot; (sic)

Fact: HTML 5 is still a _draft_ standard. Furthermore, only SOME (really a few bits) of it has been implemented and only in _some_ browsers.

Counter-Claim: HTML 5 is (largely) irrelevant until (and unless!) it is widely deployed across the mainstream web browsers.

Informed Opinion: We now have over a decade of _actual experience_ in seeing how new technologies and standards get defined and deployed over the Web. That experience suggests that HTML 5 will take a long time (if ever) to become widely useful/to be relied on. Specifically:

-- The standards setting bodies work _slowly_. 
-- Technologies that only work in _some browsers_ face an up-hill battle, particularly when those browsers don&#039;t have sufficient market share.
-- Technologies that work differently between browsers and even ones that are unevenly implemented face challenges in becoming widely used.
-- The vendor of the browser with the pre-dominant market share has expressed, at best, only grudging interest in implementing HTML 5 features. Their _actual actions_, however, demonstrate little if any progress on that front.


OK, &#039;engineer&#039;, the ball&#039;s over to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8216;engineer&#8217;: you said: &#8220;Its always a risk for non-engineers to write about technical issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>I say: Then you need to change your handle, &#8216;engineer&#8217;, because you clearly fall into the non-engineer category&#8211;as based on the number and severity of mis-statements in your post!</p>
<p>Claim: &#8220;Flash is nothing more than a very lightweight, and poorly implemented scripting language.&#8221;</p>
<p>Facts: Flash is: 1) a virtual machine (VM) and run-time environment (the Flash &#8216;Player&#8217;); and 2) is also the name of the tool/application which one uses to create dynamic images which run in the VM. The Flash VM can execute AS3 &amp; AS2 code. It executes _binary_ (byte) code and NOT _source_ code. Note: Java and the .NET languages (i.e., C#) use similar byte code and VM technologies. Flash AS3 code supports modern object-oriented programming constructs (classes, inheritance, interfaces, polymorphism), plus other mechanisms such as: generics, data binding, both static and dynamic typing.</p>
<p>Counter-claim: It would be no more accurate to call Flash AS3 code a &#8220;scripting language&#8221; than it would be to call Java or C# the same.</p>
<p>Informed Opinion: you called [Flash AS code] &#8220;&#8230;very lightweight, and poorly implemented&#8230;&#8221;. I would argue that Flash&#8217;s strongly increasing acceptance as a Web Application and Cross-Platform Application tool (using the Flex and AIR frameworks) would contradict your claim. Furthermore, it has seen great acceptance among software developers with an interest in strong software _engineering_ (for example, among leading-edge Java developers).</p>
<p>Claim: &#8220;Even Flash Video is obsolete now that h.264 is an open standard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fact: The most recent versions of the Flash VM include H.264 support.</p>
<p>Question: So _how_ has Flash Video become obsolete? Please, be _specific_.</p>
<p>Counter-Claim: The Flash VM&#8217;s inclusion of H.264 is a solid indication of its continued relevance and popularity.</p>
<p>Claim: &#8220;The only thing Flash ever had going for it was&#8230;a bit more dynamism than existing html markup allowed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fact: major applications have been built with the Flash VM as their underpinnings. These include complex things like word processors (Buzzword), image editors (Photoshop.com), Visio-like diagramming tools; and countless Enterprise/Line-Of-Business applications (being used internally by major corporations).</p>
<p>Counter-Claim: applications can be built on the Flash platform that are as portable as Java applications and potentially are as rich as Java/MacOS (Cocoa)/Windows (.NET) ones.</p>
<p>Claim: &#8220;Apple is clearly behind H.264 and HTML 5 both open standards that go to the core of the value that flash added to the web experience in the 1990s.&#8221; (sic)</p>
<p>Fact: HTML 5 is still a _draft_ standard. Furthermore, only SOME (really a few bits) of it has been implemented and only in _some_ browsers.</p>
<p>Counter-Claim: HTML 5 is (largely) irrelevant until (and unless!) it is widely deployed across the mainstream web browsers.</p>
<p>Informed Opinion: We now have over a decade of _actual experience_ in seeing how new technologies and standards get defined and deployed over the Web. That experience suggests that HTML 5 will take a long time (if ever) to become widely useful/to be relied on. Specifically:</p>
<p>&#8211; The standards setting bodies work _slowly_.<br />
&#8211; Technologies that only work in _some browsers_ face an up-hill battle, particularly when those browsers don&#8217;t have sufficient market share.<br />
&#8211; Technologies that work differently between browsers and even ones that are unevenly implemented face challenges in becoming widely used.<br />
&#8211; The vendor of the browser with the pre-dominant market share has expressed, at best, only grudging interest in implementing HTML 5 features. Their _actual actions_, however, demonstrate little if any progress on that front.</p>
<p>OK, &#8216;engineer&#8217;, the ball&#8217;s over to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Banned in Boston</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4268</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned in Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin: &quot;Webapp version of photoshop - yeah not going to happen either.&quot;

I think you need to look at this link: https://www.photoshop.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin: &#8220;Webapp version of photoshop &#8211; yeah not going to happen either.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you need to look at this link: <a href="https://www.photoshop.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.photoshop.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Links for July 20th</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4251</link>
		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Links for July 20th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Google/Adobe? NoThe comments are the interesting part. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4177</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward Dinovo says: &quot;I’m sure Chrome OS will fully support Flash.&quot;

It certainly will, but will Google write their own? The current Linux flash plugin from Adobe is an awful performer, and the 64-bit version is highly unstable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward Dinovo says: &#8220;I’m sure Chrome OS will fully support Flash.&#8221;</p>
<p>It certainly will, but will Google write their own? The current Linux flash plugin from Adobe is an awful performer, and the 64-bit version is highly unstable.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/googleadobe-no/comment-page-1/#comment-4102</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visually intensive apps can run over the pipe fairly well. Just look at some of the things Citrix has done with their technology. Many videos exist on YouTube showing them run multiple gfx heavy apps on light clients and even on the iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visually intensive apps can run over the pipe fairly well. Just look at some of the things Citrix has done with their technology. Many videos exist on YouTube showing them run multiple gfx heavy apps on light clients and even on the iPhone.</p>
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