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	<title>Comments on: Remember Billy Mitchell</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Philpott</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-4153</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Philpott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Billy Mitchell is not needed. In fact the presence of a cyberwar Billy Mitchell would be more dangerous for this nation than his absence. Extending the war metaphor to conflicts taking place in cyberspace is not simply flawed, it is dangerous. 

Consider the idea of war, what is it? Clausewitz said it was the &quot;continuation of political intercourse, carried on with other means&quot;. What he meant was when political intercourse and diplomacy broke down war was the tool used to resolve the political argument. Think about that. What would be the threshold that would differentiate continued political intercourse from the failure of political intercourse that precipitates war in cyberspace? 

To expand on this consider the recent Iranian &#039;cyberwar&#039;. This cyberwar was described by most commentators as consisting of Iranians using new technologies to communicate about their efforts at resisting a discredited election. A related component of this cyberwar was people outside of Iran attempting to help Iranians with their communications. This meets the Clauzewitzian threshold for continuation of political intercourse but what was it in reality? It was free speech. And the political power could legitimately claim to be fighting a cyberwar by suppressing their political opponents freedom of speech.

Without a very well defined and salient description of what cyberwar is the instantiation of a military function to protect us from it is inherently dangerous. Most &#039;cyberwar&#039; bears no resemblance to war of any kind. It is crime. It is speech. It is abuse. But it does not require a military response, it requires something else entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Billy Mitchell is not needed. In fact the presence of a cyberwar Billy Mitchell would be more dangerous for this nation than his absence. Extending the war metaphor to conflicts taking place in cyberspace is not simply flawed, it is dangerous. </p>
<p>Consider the idea of war, what is it? Clausewitz said it was the &#8220;continuation of political intercourse, carried on with other means&#8221;. What he meant was when political intercourse and diplomacy broke down war was the tool used to resolve the political argument. Think about that. What would be the threshold that would differentiate continued political intercourse from the failure of political intercourse that precipitates war in cyberspace? </p>
<p>To expand on this consider the recent Iranian &#8216;cyberwar&#8217;. This cyberwar was described by most commentators as consisting of Iranians using new technologies to communicate about their efforts at resisting a discredited election. A related component of this cyberwar was people outside of Iran attempting to help Iranians with their communications. This meets the Clauzewitzian threshold for continuation of political intercourse but what was it in reality? It was free speech. And the political power could legitimately claim to be fighting a cyberwar by suppressing their political opponents freedom of speech.</p>
<p>Without a very well defined and salient description of what cyberwar is the instantiation of a military function to protect us from it is inherently dangerous. Most &#8216;cyberwar&#8217; bears no resemblance to war of any kind. It is crime. It is speech. It is abuse. But it does not require a military response, it requires something else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanting to be anonymous for obvious reasons</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-4009</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanting to be anonymous for obvious reasons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about taking out a large part of the electricity grid for a few hours by attacking the management systems of power plants? That can be done. The vulnerabilities there are pretty well known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about taking out a large part of the electricity grid for a few hours by attacking the management systems of power plants? That can be done. The vulnerabilities there are pretty well known.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Media and Your Tanks are Belong to Us &#124; Stuff and Junk</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Media and Your Tanks are Belong to Us &#124; Stuff and Junk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the creation of a &#8220;Cyber Czar,&#8221; a scary doublespeek title that will amount to little. No one seems able even to decide who he will report to. This position is important enough that it should almost be a fifth branch of the military, if that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the creation of a &#8220;Cyber Czar,&#8221; a scary doublespeek title that will amount to little. No one seems able even to decide who he will report to. This position is important enough that it should almost be a fifth branch of the military, if that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim K</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and my point in all that is that machines shouldn&#039;t be left on the internet - whether they are military or the machine in your bedroom at home - unless there&#039;s a specific reason.  Most of the time online, I am really looking at a page that was downloaded in a short period burst.  

I realize that this won&#039;t stop a lot of virus&#039;s but it could, in the aggregate, have an impact on a lot of other kinds of mayhem. 

Anyway, I&#039;m not sure if I made myself clear that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and my point in all that is that machines shouldn&#8217;t be left on the internet &#8211; whether they are military or the machine in your bedroom at home &#8211; unless there&#8217;s a specific reason.  Most of the time online, I am really looking at a page that was downloaded in a short period burst.  </p>
<p>I realize that this won&#8217;t stop a lot of virus&#8217;s but it could, in the aggregate, have an impact on a lot of other kinds of mayhem. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not sure if I made myself clear that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim K</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3590</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m one of these guys who is not uber technical. If I drag my pc to the coffee house, I can hit a mechanical button and I&#039;m on the internet. I can down load the page I want to look at, then hit the button again and I&#039;m off the network.  

In my apartment, which is kind of an extended stay place, so I take what they give me, I have a wire coming out of the wall.  To acheive the same effect I have to plug in and plug out the wire.  

What I&#039;d rather have is a mechanical switch like the wireless button I have for disconnecting and connecting myself to the internet on the fly.  

In fact, the web browsers we have should have a setting that allows the machine to do that automatically.  

I&#039;m off the net, until I click on something, then it bursts onto the net to retrieve data, when it&#039;s done it electro-mechanically switches me off the network until I make another request.  

If I want full time, always on the net, I should have a setting for that too.  

This all leads towards a more intelligent browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m one of these guys who is not uber technical. If I drag my pc to the coffee house, I can hit a mechanical button and I&#8217;m on the internet. I can down load the page I want to look at, then hit the button again and I&#8217;m off the network.  </p>
<p>In my apartment, which is kind of an extended stay place, so I take what they give me, I have a wire coming out of the wall.  To acheive the same effect I have to plug in and plug out the wire.  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d rather have is a mechanical switch like the wireless button I have for disconnecting and connecting myself to the internet on the fly.  </p>
<p>In fact, the web browsers we have should have a setting that allows the machine to do that automatically.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m off the net, until I click on something, then it bursts onto the net to retrieve data, when it&#8217;s done it electro-mechanically switches me off the network until I make another request.  </p>
<p>If I want full time, always on the net, I should have a setting for that too.  </p>
<p>This all leads towards a more intelligent browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3565</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you nailed it Petey.  I hereby challenge the thousands of super-eggheads and billions of dollars in assets controlled by the defense and technology companies who would love to get a piece of the $800 billion pie being served up by Obama&#039;s administration to launch a credible attack on America&#039;s cyber security.  Something that the man in the street can understand.  If they can&#039;t do it, then this is all bs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you nailed it Petey.  I hereby challenge the thousands of super-eggheads and billions of dollars in assets controlled by the defense and technology companies who would love to get a piece of the $800 billion pie being served up by Obama&#8217;s administration to launch a credible attack on America&#8217;s cyber security.  Something that the man in the street can understand.  If they can&#8217;t do it, then this is all bs.</p>
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		<title>By: StewBaby</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3561</link>
		<dc:creator>StewBaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s not forget about &#039;Enigma&#039; and Bletchley Park.
Without them UK would have lost the battle of the Atlanic.
Allied commanders were given &#039;Ultra&#039; information about
German attacks and intentions, etc..

Another visionary of the pre war years was Fuller, but the
US, UK, France , etc ignored his ideas while Germany didn&#039;t,
which lead to the &#039;Blitzkrieg&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s not forget about &#8216;Enigma&#8217; and Bletchley Park.<br />
Without them UK would have lost the battle of the Atlanic.<br />
Allied commanders were given &#8216;Ultra&#8217; information about<br />
German attacks and intentions, etc..</p>
<p>Another visionary of the pre war years was Fuller, but the<br />
US, UK, France , etc ignored his ideas while Germany didn&#8217;t,<br />
which lead to the &#8216;Blitzkrieg&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Birch</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3559</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would love to see is &quot;Cyber warfare national guard.&quot; I have an old computer that I need to check on and update every now and then. I wouldn&#039;t mind giving the reigns over to the government, it would continue to function as a web server, but they could use it for whatever they wanted. 

Just imagine a volunteer USA Botnet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would love to see is &#8220;Cyber warfare national guard.&#8221; I have an old computer that I need to check on and update every now and then. I wouldn&#8217;t mind giving the reigns over to the government, it would continue to function as a web server, but they could use it for whatever they wanted. </p>
<p>Just imagine a volunteer USA Botnet.</p>
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		<title>By: paul vudmaska</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3558</link>
		<dc:creator>paul vudmaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t connect your private/secured networks to public networks. Why that is still done today is a mystery to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t connect your private/secured networks to public networks. Why that is still done today is a mystery to me.</p>
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		<title>By: cretus</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/06/remember-billy-mitchell/comment-page-1/#comment-3556</link>
		<dc:creator>cretus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, we can outsource this and save a bundle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, we can outsource this and save a bundle!</p>
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