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		<title>By: Scott A</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-3551</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything leaks out within minutes these days, so internal PR has to be written for external audiences as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything leaks out within minutes these days, so internal PR has to be written for external audiences as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Moshe</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s just it though.

None of this has anything to do with IBM, except that they happen to have been in talks to do it. This has everything to do with Microsoft, and will affect everyone. This is the genius of Ellison. Not only does the Sun thing give ORACLE a full stack, but it puts them pretty heavy into the consumer space in a way that IBM doesn&#039;t seem to be noticing. This is because IBM is either being obtuse, or being stupid. Or maybe they simply understand that whatever happens, they will adapt, the way they always do. 

If I were going to make predictions, I would say that next in line for oracle would be misc vendors related to the consumer space that will confuse the hell out of everyone. If I had to venture a guess, watch for them to snatch up Corel or somebody like that. By the time anyone figures out what&#039;s going on, it will be too late. Then, Adobe... then, eventually Apple. It&#039;s only a matter of time. Ellison is turning out to be the most patient man in the business. This makes him very dangerous to Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s just it though.</p>
<p>None of this has anything to do with IBM, except that they happen to have been in talks to do it. This has everything to do with Microsoft, and will affect everyone. This is the genius of Ellison. Not only does the Sun thing give ORACLE a full stack, but it puts them pretty heavy into the consumer space in a way that IBM doesn&#8217;t seem to be noticing. This is because IBM is either being obtuse, or being stupid. Or maybe they simply understand that whatever happens, they will adapt, the way they always do. </p>
<p>If I were going to make predictions, I would say that next in line for oracle would be misc vendors related to the consumer space that will confuse the hell out of everyone. If I had to venture a guess, watch for them to snatch up Corel or somebody like that. By the time anyone figures out what&#8217;s going on, it will be too late. Then, Adobe&#8230; then, eventually Apple. It&#8217;s only a matter of time. Ellison is turning out to be the most patient man in the business. This makes him very dangerous to Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrinder</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-3003</link>
		<dc:creator>AxeGrinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jerry,

There are already many online data backup or data repositories.  Data is encrypted and only the owner of the data has the encryption key.  This is like RSA model has a USB key fob coupled with a SSO (single sign on) username and password. 

Axe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jerry,</p>
<p>There are already many online data backup or data repositories.  Data is encrypted and only the owner of the data has the encryption key.  This is like RSA model has a USB key fob coupled with a SSO (single sign on) username and password. </p>
<p>Axe</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-3001</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 15:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

Is there any reason this particular story was not accompanied with a podcast version? So far, for me, this is the only posting without one...

Interesting take, and even more interesting with the update: The Sequel Dilemma

Regards,

Griff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Is there any reason this particular story was not accompanied with a podcast version? So far, for me, this is the only posting without one&#8230;</p>
<p>Interesting take, and even more interesting with the update: The Sequel Dilemma</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Griff</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2996</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That IBM memo looks &quot;leaked&quot; more than leaked. IBM has been behind the performance curve with AIX relative to Solaris for a long time, and DB2 for BI/DW workloads is really, really bad, yet that&#039;s the database growth market. I think the memo is IBM wishful thinking on Oracle&#039;s dealings with Sun. Unfortunately, that part may end up being accurate.

MySQL and Oracle make sense - it&#039;s the low-end SQLServer killer that&#039;s been missing at Oracle, and reestablishes the company in the web market where it lost its footing in 2001, even if the revenues it sees are small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That IBM memo looks &#8220;leaked&#8221; more than leaked. IBM has been behind the performance curve with AIX relative to Solaris for a long time, and DB2 for BI/DW workloads is really, really bad, yet that&#8217;s the database growth market. I think the memo is IBM wishful thinking on Oracle&#8217;s dealings with Sun. Unfortunately, that part may end up being accurate.</p>
<p>MySQL and Oracle make sense &#8211; it&#8217;s the low-end SQLServer killer that&#8217;s been missing at Oracle, and reestablishes the company in the web market where it lost its footing in 2001, even if the revenues it sees are small.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2995</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I prove it by screwing up yet again, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinclient.jaggeri.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the link&lt;/a&gt;.  Feel free to delete these two comments and fix the url in the first comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I prove it by screwing up yet again, here&#8217;s <a href="http://thinclient.jaggeri.com" rel="nofollow">the link</a>.  Feel free to delete these two comments and fix the url in the first comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2994</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That first link is missing an end quote, should be &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinclient.jaggeri.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a.  A preview button for commenters would be nice, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That first link is missing an end quote, should be <a href="http://thinclient.jaggeri.com" rel="nofollow">this&lt;/a.  A preview button for commenters would be nice, Bob.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AxeGrinder, some interesting thoughts and I think you&#039;re mostly headed in the right direction- I completely agree about micropayments being the key- but I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve fully thought it out.  For example, the browser is too shitty to ever be a viable implementation of client-server, we&#039;re going to need something new, along the lines I outlined &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, open source is an important new trend but it has gotten nowhere in business, I &lt;a href=&quot;http://hybrid.jaggeri.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;explain how mixed source is more likely to get us there&lt;/a&gt;.  But the linchpin of all this is micropayments, until you can monetize we won&#039;t get as far as fast.  The good news is that there&#039;s been a lot of buzz about micropayments recently and I&#039;m working on a micropayments frontend myself, so hopefully we can kickstart tech again soon. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AxeGrinder, some interesting thoughts and I think you&#8217;re mostly headed in the right direction- I completely agree about micropayments being the key- but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve fully thought it out.  For example, the browser is too shitty to ever be a viable implementation of client-server, we&#8217;re going to need something new, along the lines I outlined <a>here</a>.  Also, open source is an important new trend but it has gotten nowhere in business, I <a href="http://hybrid.jaggeri.com" rel="nofollow">explain how mixed source is more likely to get us there</a>.  But the linchpin of all this is micropayments, until you can monetize we won&#8217;t get as far as fast.  The good news is that there&#8217;s been a lot of buzz about micropayments recently and I&#8217;m working on a micropayments frontend myself, so hopefully we can kickstart tech again soon. <img src='http://www.cringely.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a good friend who used to be a highly successful Oracle sales manager.  He was one of these gifted people with very strong technical skills, who could represent Oracle&#039;s capabilities extremely well.  In his region he was IBM&#039;s worst nightmare.  

Being an extremely good and successful sale manager in Oracle has its risks.  When they start making too much money from selling lots of products and services, it raises the attention of Oracle&#039;s management.  If you make too much money, you are asked to leave.  

Oracle runs a very tight ship.  The folks at Sun are about to get hammered and I feel sorry for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a good friend who used to be a highly successful Oracle sales manager.  He was one of these gifted people with very strong technical skills, who could represent Oracle&#8217;s capabilities extremely well.  In his region he was IBM&#8217;s worst nightmare.  </p>
<p>Being an extremely good and successful sale manager in Oracle has its risks.  When they start making too much money from selling lots of products and services, it raises the attention of Oracle&#8217;s management.  If you make too much money, you are asked to leave.  </p>
<p>Oracle runs a very tight ship.  The folks at Sun are about to get hammered and I feel sorry for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Young</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/comment-page-1/#comment-2980</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern, and I make no claim to being the first to voice it, is that the Fortune X00 will move lots of data to some Cloud, which isn&#039;t under their control.  Your Bank Of America, for example; not that I have any information that BofA is specifically going to do so.  But as an example.  There will be fine print in a 100 page Terms of Service booklet, absolving them of all liability if your data goes wandering.  Capitalists tend to be evil; Google too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern, and I make no claim to being the first to voice it, is that the Fortune X00 will move lots of data to some Cloud, which isn&#8217;t under their control.  Your Bank Of America, for example; not that I have any information that BofA is specifically going to do so.  But as an example.  There will be fine print in a 100 page Terms of Service booklet, absolving them of all liability if your data goes wandering.  Capitalists tend to be evil; Google too.</p>
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