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		<title>By: how to stop the divorce</title>
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		<dc:creator>how to stop the divorce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advantageously, the article is in  reality the freshest on this  worthw  hile topic. I agree with  your conclusions and will eagerly anticipate ones own  next updates.  Simply stating thanks is not going to just be  sufficient, for the  phenomenal clarity within your writing. I&#039;ll  without delay find your rss  to keep abreast of any kind of updates.  Gratifying work and much success in your  business  endeavors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advantageously, the article is in  reality the freshest on this  worthw  hile topic. I agree with  your conclusions and will eagerly anticipate ones own  next updates.  Simply stating thanks is not going to just be  sufficient, for the  phenomenal clarity within your writing. I&#8217;ll  without delay find your rss  to keep abreast of any kind of updates.  Gratifying work and much success in your  business  endeavors!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Giving out free reports</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/03/bowling-for-dollars/comment-page-2/#comment-4487</link>
		<dc:creator>Giving out free reports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Just found your blog surfing on the internet! I am too much interested in the information like you are providing. Why you do not write a new ebook and publish it by collecting more information on this topic. NO! Do not take me wrong! I am not a publisher. Ha! Ha! Ha!  You have written in a detailed manner that&#039;s why I am asking you about the ebooks. Have you ever thought of any type of ebook and in its business. It is a really hardwork to create a blog like yours and to maintain it. But you have done really a great job. Congrates! I have few questions. Do you think that blogs are better than ebooks for providing information and making money. I Just take the ebooks as products. I have never tried to write any ebook and to do any sort of business. If I say something about my website here, then you will consider this comment as a spam and NO One like that. But would like to say, that while selling FREE EBOOKS I have made such a huge amount, just in few days, that you will be amazed! If you visit my website (by clicking on my name in this comment) then you are bound to be surprised. I am sure this is a new technique of selling, I have found over the net. But lets talk about writing ebooks and providing unique information to the internet community, have you ever tried writing anything and publishing it? Do you also sell ebooks? What is your experience? I am interested in knowing about it or your experiments? Waiting for reply - Thanks, Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Just found your blog surfing on the internet! I am too much interested in the information like you are providing. Why you do not write a new ebook and publish it by collecting more information on this topic. NO! Do not take me wrong! I am not a publisher. Ha! Ha! Ha!  You have written in a detailed manner that&#8217;s why I am asking you about the ebooks. Have you ever thought of any type of ebook and in its business. It is a really hardwork to create a blog like yours and to maintain it. But you have done really a great job. Congrates! I have few questions. Do you think that blogs are better than ebooks for providing information and making money. I Just take the ebooks as products. I have never tried to write any ebook and to do any sort of business. If I say something about my website here, then you will consider this comment as a spam and NO One like that. But would like to say, that while selling FREE EBOOKS I have made such a huge amount, just in few days, that you will be amazed! If you visit my website (by clicking on my name in this comment) then you are bound to be surprised. I am sure this is a new technique of selling, I have found over the net. But lets talk about writing ebooks and providing unique information to the internet community, have you ever tried writing anything and publishing it? Do you also sell ebooks? What is your experience? I am interested in knowing about it or your experiments? Waiting for reply &#8211; Thanks, Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Parrot Secrets &#8211; Ebook Success Story &#124; Sell It Before You Write it</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parrot Secrets &#8211; Ebook Success Story &#124; Sell It Before You Write it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bowling for Dollars &#8211; Parrot Secrets [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt Sampson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt Sampson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 08:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Graham agrees with you on the &quot;big company&quot; versus &quot;startup&quot; mentality. As do I: being a founder in a small company myself, I&#039;m sometimes a little shocked by the attitudes of some of our employees. Then again, I was once there myself, and that is how we&#039;re trained in school, as you pointed out. (Paul Graham has pointed this out, too.)

That said, I have to agree with Andrew; parrot-book-secrets.com is rather on the rent-seeking side. One of the reasons I started a business is because I didn&#039;t want to be there: I wanted to actually produce something fairly significant.

cjs@cynic.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Graham agrees with you on the &#8220;big company&#8221; versus &#8220;startup&#8221; mentality. As do I: being a founder in a small company myself, I&#8217;m sometimes a little shocked by the attitudes of some of our employees. Then again, I was once there myself, and that is how we&#8217;re trained in school, as you pointed out. (Paul Graham has pointed this out, too.)</p>
<p>That said, I have to agree with Andrew; parrot-book-secrets.com is rather on the rent-seeking side. One of the reasons I started a business is because I didn&#8217;t want to be there: I wanted to actually produce something fairly significant.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:cjs@cynic.net">cjs@cynic.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/03/bowling-for-dollars/comment-page-2/#comment-2429</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, if I were you, i&#039;d just admit that i picked a really, really bad example for a productive business, but say that the original point still stands, that there&#039;s still a ton of  room for good, productive, and lucrative internet businesses.

You simply picked a bad example. Why&#039;s your example bad?

- This company provides a poorer product and a higher price than something as simple as borrowing book from a library, or making friends with their local pet store bird expert

- This company is run by an experienced SEOer, which most bird book authors (think they) cannot afford. Furthermore, real bird experts won&#039;t stoop to the ethical grey areas that this guy has, because they have reputations to uphold. This guy runs his bird site under scores of different names--to the average internet user, if parrot-book-secrets.com gets a bad review, they won&#039;t figure that my-lovely-parrot-book.com is the same site. 

- The majority of the earnings of this company come from rent-seeking activities, not the sort of economic productivity that helps the economy. Let me give you a hyperbolic example: Suppose there were two car makers, MEmotors, and Icringe. Let&#039;s say MEmotors had a billion dollar advertising budget, and you spent nothing since Icringe does not believe in advertising (bunch o&#039; engineers).  Now, everyone&#039;s heard of MEmotors, and no one knows that Icringe exists. So I can charge a monopoly-level price, say twice of my actual costs on the car, because no one knows you exist. People are happy buying MEmotors cars at $100k, because no other cars exists as far as they know! Icringe sells a car for $20k at a small modest profit, but no one knows they exist. The result is that society pays too much for cars and wastes money on dancing television jingles. (This lasts for the short run, until Icringe figures out how to advertise...then in the long run, prices come down, but we&#039;re still all wasting money on advertising). Advertising isn&#039;t our economy&#039;s savior, it&#039;s one of its pitfalls.

There really are very good businesses out there selling online newsletters and ebooks. You simply chose about the worst possible example.

Oh yeah, and the bowling alley at Stanford didn&#039;t become a computer room; the computer room is upstairs in Tresidder. If i recall correctly the bowling alley was next to the Coho, where the current Treehouse and the glass-walled fitness center are. Feel free to email me if you need a pair of eyes to review your posts, Cringely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, if I were you, i&#8217;d just admit that i picked a really, really bad example for a productive business, but say that the original point still stands, that there&#8217;s still a ton of  room for good, productive, and lucrative internet businesses.</p>
<p>You simply picked a bad example. Why&#8217;s your example bad?</p>
<p>- This company provides a poorer product and a higher price than something as simple as borrowing book from a library, or making friends with their local pet store bird expert</p>
<p>- This company is run by an experienced SEOer, which most bird book authors (think they) cannot afford. Furthermore, real bird experts won&#8217;t stoop to the ethical grey areas that this guy has, because they have reputations to uphold. This guy runs his bird site under scores of different names&#8211;to the average internet user, if parrot-book-secrets.com gets a bad review, they won&#8217;t figure that my-lovely-parrot-book.com is the same site. </p>
<p>- The majority of the earnings of this company come from rent-seeking activities, not the sort of economic productivity that helps the economy. Let me give you a hyperbolic example: Suppose there were two car makers, MEmotors, and Icringe. Let&#8217;s say MEmotors had a billion dollar advertising budget, and you spent nothing since Icringe does not believe in advertising (bunch o&#8217; engineers).  Now, everyone&#8217;s heard of MEmotors, and no one knows that Icringe exists. So I can charge a monopoly-level price, say twice of my actual costs on the car, because no one knows you exist. People are happy buying MEmotors cars at $100k, because no other cars exists as far as they know! Icringe sells a car for $20k at a small modest profit, but no one knows they exist. The result is that society pays too much for cars and wastes money on dancing television jingles. (This lasts for the short run, until Icringe figures out how to advertise&#8230;then in the long run, prices come down, but we&#8217;re still all wasting money on advertising). Advertising isn&#8217;t our economy&#8217;s savior, it&#8217;s one of its pitfalls.</p>
<p>There really are very good businesses out there selling online newsletters and ebooks. You simply chose about the worst possible example.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and the bowling alley at Stanford didn&#8217;t become a computer room; the computer room is upstairs in Tresidder. If i recall correctly the bowling alley was next to the Coho, where the current Treehouse and the glass-walled fitness center are. Feel free to email me if you need a pair of eyes to review your posts, Cringely.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.cringely.com/2009/03/bowling-for-dollars/comment-page-2/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob mentions the story in his book Accidental Empires (UK edition) for essentially the same reasons. Geeks like myself are always astonished at the contextual limitations most people put upon their reality. I find intense irony in the strong likelihood that many complainants about Parrot Secrets also drink bottled water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob mentions the story in his book Accidental Empires (UK edition) for essentially the same reasons. Geeks like myself are always astonished at the contextual limitations most people put upon their reality. I find intense irony in the strong likelihood that many complainants about Parrot Secrets also drink bottled water.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Serpell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Serpell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: it is stated that he does use Adwords in the original article, but I cannot see the ad when entering parrot as a search term...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: it is stated that he does use Adwords in the original article, but I cannot see the ad when entering parrot as a search term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Serpell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Serpell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with the idea, but I do have a problem with the website (my damn mouse wheel broke) -- it looks like a typical &quot;make $10,000 per week&quot; site.  I left the site with the impression that it was produced by a scam-artist.

If the guy really earns $400,000 per year, then why doesn&#039;t he spend a little of that to build a more polished site?  Doesn&#039;t he want to earn even more money?  Why doesn&#039;t he use Google Adwords (he can certainly afford it)?

In other words, his current marketing strategy is typical of someone who earns $40,000 per year -- the $400,000 figure sounds like baloney to me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with the idea, but I do have a problem with the website (my damn mouse wheel broke) &#8212; it looks like a typical &#8220;make $10,000 per week&#8221; site.  I left the site with the impression that it was produced by a scam-artist.</p>
<p>If the guy really earns $400,000 per year, then why doesn&#8217;t he spend a little of that to build a more polished site?  Doesn&#8217;t he want to earn even more money?  Why doesn&#8217;t he use Google Adwords (he can certainly afford it)?</p>
<p>In other words, his current marketing strategy is typical of someone who earns $40,000 per year &#8212; the $400,000 figure sounds like baloney to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: brotherE</title>
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		<dc:creator>brotherE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the parrotsecrets article.

It shows just how someone who is entrepeneurial, methodical and focused can create a business.

Do you think ANYONE you see on television hawking a product gives a rat fuck about the product their hawking? I mean, honestly, you care in the most cynical of ways: are you getting paid enough based on how this could effect your name positively or negatively? That&#039;s the gig.

Who cares if the spokesmodel is real? Who cares if she &quot;actually&quot; gave the &quot;reviews&quot;? The kid cut and pasted some feedback, and created a persona. 

I think hearing that a young kid from India is raking in some serious cash for a relatively &quot;simple&quot; idea has peoples&#039; brains on underload...

Cringely, ignore the trolls. Don&#039;t even waste blog space to explain yourself, re-educate, or change someone elses feeble mind. If they truly understood the message, they would get their pencils pushing and figure out a way to make some of their own money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the parrotsecrets article.</p>
<p>It shows just how someone who is entrepeneurial, methodical and focused can create a business.</p>
<p>Do you think ANYONE you see on television hawking a product gives a rat fuck about the product their hawking? I mean, honestly, you care in the most cynical of ways: are you getting paid enough based on how this could effect your name positively or negatively? That&#8217;s the gig.</p>
<p>Who cares if the spokesmodel is real? Who cares if she &#8220;actually&#8221; gave the &#8220;reviews&#8221;? The kid cut and pasted some feedback, and created a persona. </p>
<p>I think hearing that a young kid from India is raking in some serious cash for a relatively &#8220;simple&#8221; idea has peoples&#8217; brains on underload&#8230;</p>
<p>Cringely, ignore the trolls. Don&#8217;t even waste blog space to explain yourself, re-educate, or change someone elses feeble mind. If they truly understood the message, they would get their pencils pushing and figure out a way to make some of their own money.</p>
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