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Sales Engineer — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:03:51 +0000

I toyed with the idea of studying for CCIE qualification, but it just never grabbed me. So I think the distinction between ‘engineer’ and ‘expert’ referred to above is interesting. I’m an engineer of the ‘let’s get some tools and take this thing apart’ variety. The world of Cisco products was too abstract for me.

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By: Marcos Ronderos

Marcos Ronderos — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:19:34 +0000

I seriously doubt someone who just got fired can afford prepairing for a CCIE Lab, i mean if you don’t know what the CCIE cert needs you can imagine it’s easy or cheap, in fact the preparation for the CCIE written is around 300$ just for books and another 300$ for the exam, then the good part, spend a minimum of 6 months practicing for the lab, getting vendors study material can go from 1.000$ to 5.000$ if you want to pay for a bootcamp, setting a lab at home can cost you another 3.500-5.000$, rack rental if you want to save some money and avoid the lab setup 2.000$, then you paid for registering to the lab another 1.250$, then the cost of going to Brussels or California plus acommodations, for 8 hours lab and a cheap lunch. I am sorry but i don’t see any fired guy with a family doing it. In fact, for some people outside of US or Europe is not possible without a company sponsoring all the effort this needs. I have seen people who got their CCIE with less than 5.000$ but that is not common and all of them had their employers supporting them or giving them enough time to study and paying their salary as they were working.

By: Scott V

Scott V — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:58:22 +0000

I can’t imagine how a double-CCIE could reach this conclusion. As a CCIE myself, I know that:

1. Candidates typically enter the pipeline at least a year before they exit it. Many of them will remain in the pipeline for several years. So what do numbers today have to do with market conditions today? The two timelines are completely decoupled.

2. Training materials and choices have vastly improved over time. New means of preparation have become available.

3. There is a growing momentum that drives people to earn this certification. If only 1 in 1,000 job applicants/candidates holds it, we are not under such great competitive pressure. If 1 out of every 100 or even 1 out of every 25 holds it, we had better get cracking! Many have and many are.

4. Cisco, a for-profit corporation (with a vested interest in having experts available to help sell and deploy their equipment) and not a neutral licensing board, solely and somewhat arbitrarily controls the pass/fail criteria. For that matter, they chose the level of difficulty of the exam process. Thus, the number of people that Cisco >chooses< to deem as CCIEs is entirely at Cisco’s discretion.

5. Cheating has risen to a level that Cisco has recently been forced to react with changes to the program.

6. There have been new CCIE tracks introduced over the years, meaning that vast new swaths of IT professionals have a CCIE to pursue, whereas they didn’t in prior years.

7. IP technologies and applications (e.g. voice) have proliferated, driving a growth in the overall workforce and thus driving growth in the sheer number of people who will aspire to the expert level of their given discipline within the IT marketplace.

I could go on – these are just the points that immediately come to mind. Bottom line is that this is not a fundamentally sound theory by any stretch of the imagination. Funny to see the hype that it’s generated, though…

By: ed

ed — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:18 +0000

Or it could be the result of a substantial number of network engineers being laid off. They have some spare time and they want to get their certifications in top shape for the job search. If that is true, it might just be a signal that the economy is entering a steeper downturn. (and that would not in any way invalidate the previous CCIE theory)